Curse

Chev of Hardass · Jun 09, 2005, 07:59 PM // 19:59

The way I see it, with the old system, the barter system, we had access to runes that we had not unlocked.

Character A, a Warrior, found a mesmer rune, Character B, a Mesmer found a Warrior rune.

Both are in Lion arch and are looking to sell each of the runes that they have no use for, and do not want to hold on to for personal uses. They advertise the runes on the trade window and purchase them from each other, and have a hearty laugh that they are finding the wrong runes for each of their character.

Neither character asked for any identification from either character.

If the Rune trader system is to be properly implimented, all Rune trade will go through the Rune Trader. This will keep the supply and prices correct. If we need to talk economics we can do that, but that will be later.

I have two level 20 characters. One level three in Pre-searing, and staying there for a while. I have not unlocked any of the major or superior runes for my character builds.

Unlocking all runes to each character should not be abused, except by the excessively rich players that need a place to spend their money on. Those are the people that Arena Net is looking for with their new money sinkhole, beer.

I believe in the rune trader system, but I also believe that a person only needs a superior rune once or twice in their entire character life. I ask, why would I want access to the runes I have already found?

Kershent · Jun 09, 2005, 08:30 PM // 20:30

Could you clarfiy just what you're suggesting? I'm not trying to be a jerk. I honestly don't know what you're getting at.

This guy there · Jun 09, 2005, 08:51 PM // 20:51

na what they need to do is set fixed prices at those things and add gold sinks

So make it so that they price minors from 250-500 gold and you can sell to it for half... unlimited supply, majors from 1000-5000 and you sell for half unlimited supply, sups for 5000-20000 and you can sell for half...

That way everyone gets what they want when they want and it keep inflation down...

Then go do the same for the sigil trader (expect sigils to drop 20k in price the next time we farm the halls as we are going to intentionally mass sell a lot to him)

Crystal NightingGale · Jun 09, 2005, 09:03 PM // 21:03

they should make the runes more available. i dont know how many endless times i received the message out of stock when trying to buy a mesmer minor rune. i finally bought one for 250, i think it was an inspiration rune.

Rhunex · Jun 09, 2005, 09:07 PM // 21:07

It's kind of a good thing that minors go out of stock, because they are very valuable to people, since they add to your skills, with no HP reduction like Major/Superior runes. If they didn't go out of stock, I'd ask for their price to be raised, because I usually have 3 minors on a character(warriors excluded, where I got Sup Vigor Sup Sword Sup Absorp and minor tactics/strength minor whatever else is left)

battlehammer · Jun 09, 2005, 09:18 PM // 21:18

I think they should take the rune traders out and make a e-bay site on the game so that we can sell them our self. If someone wants to pay 3000g for a minor rune or pay 100000g for sup rune that is up to them now the runes you find you cant sell ether you keep them and give to guild mate or sell them for what area net think they are worth. Who says that a minor rune is only worth 150 it is up to the player that is buying it to say what it is worth and what the market will take. Give it back to the palyers and lets us be the ones to say how much we want to sell it for.

Lim-Dul · Jun 09, 2005, 09:39 PM // 21:39

Well - guys - the trader has VARIABLE prices - and that means that actually it IS the players who control the prices. ;-)
The more runes are sold to the trader and the less are bought, the cheaper they are. The 150gp runes you're speaking of must be very common and unpopular - hence their price. You would probably need like 2 hours of city-hopping before the update to sell them to anybody for a decent price. ;-)

Chev of Hardass · Jun 09, 2005, 11:13 PM // 23:13

OK I was not very clear about what I was asking and went straight to trying to make the point.

The system now, does not allow you to buy runes that you have not unlocked. This causes problems in two ways:

First, the player that finds a rune in someone elses profession, used to be able to trade for runes or money to buy runes that they had not found. They were once able to get runes that they had not found from people that had found runes theat they would not use. This is now regulated by the rune trader.

Second, this does not allow a fair market value to be set for the runes in two ways.

One, the runes bought do not show a clear market demand, since those that have not unlocked runes now cannot buy them from the trader.

Two, the runes sold do not show a true supply, since the demand is lowered for some of these runes by point one, the price is so low that they get sold outside of the rune trader system, or simply held on to.

I am questionable about weather or not purchasing a rune from the rune trader should unlock them. I lean towards yes, they should unlock when you get them.

This would take the grind out of finding runes, and limit it to finding money, which very few would argue is easy to come up with.

Lim-Dul · Jun 09, 2005, 11:30 PM // 23:30

Ehm - I'm actually able to buy ALL kinds of runes and I'm pretty sure that I haven't unlocked them all. E.g. I didn't unlock a rune of Major Vigor so far (LOL - but I did unlock the Sup one).
I've just tested it on some other runes I didn't unlock and I bought them. I'm pretty sure it's no bug - you just have some false information.

You can't buy e.g. a Sup Vigor Rune, cause the trader simply hasn't got one.

Chev of Hardass · Jun 09, 2005, 11:41 PM // 23:41

Interesting, the information I got was that runes we only to be sold to those that had unlocked them.

I guess i will just have to live with the ones i have till the market settles.

BTW. I did my part and sold all the runes that I will not be using to the rune trader. I got almost no money, but the economy of the rune trader needs it.

Lim-Dul · Jun 09, 2005, 11:46 PM // 23:46

Quote:

the economy of the rune trader needs it.

Yep - it does.

Some guy indeed did claim that you can buy unlocked runes only, but it's not true - check it for yourself. =)

Evan montegarde · Jun 10, 2005, 12:13 AM // 00:13

I think it'd be nice if a rune trader would actually trade runes, not buy/sell them. Maybe all majors (excluding vigor) would be equal to all other majors, maybe the primary attribute runes could be worth more. Same with sup and minor. This would make a lot more people mad, of course, that they can't sell an absorbation rune for insane prices, but that's their problem.

Kershent · Jun 10, 2005, 02:34 AM // 02:34

Chev, traders sell runes that CAN'T be unlocked, not ones that already have been unlocked. Anyone can buy anything, but they can't use what they buy for a pre-made character.